Bots & Billables

Join host Michael Grupp and Ulf Zetterberg (founder of SEAL Software) for a candid conversation on what today’s AI wave really means for contracts, CLM, and legal ops. They unpack why true transformation is slower than the hype, how to measure real ROI beyond dashboards, and why cross-functional change management still decides whether AI delivers or disappoints.

In this episode, we’re literally walking the streets of Legal Geek in London. Join Michael Grupp as he talks to investors, lawyers, and key players from across the legal tech community.
What drives them? What did they take away from the event? And how does being part of a Conference like Legal Geek influences people and the legal world? Get real insights and candid perspectives from the people shaping the industry. Straight from one of the most vibrant legal tech conferences in the world.
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📌 Links & resources:
Damien on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/damienriehl/
Michael on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-grupp/
🗞️ Articles mentioned in the episode:
FOLIO: https://openlegalstandard.org/
Browse FOLIO: https://folio.openlegalstandard.org/taxonomy/tree
Sean West's "Unruly": https://www.amazon.com/Unruly-Fighting-Politics-Upend-Business/dp/1394318456/
Vincent's website: https://vlex.com/vincent-ai
Clio acquisition PR: https://www.clio.com/about/press/clio-signs-definitive-agreement-to-acquire-vlex/
TED Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/damien_riehl_why_all_melodies_should_be_free_for_musicians_to_use
All the Music FAQs: http://allthemusic.info/faqs/
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🔗 Meet us:
Michael Grupp – https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-grupp/
Konstantin Heilmann – https://www.linkedin.com/in/konstantin-heilmann-252177122/ 
Konstantin Heilmann of PAXA Partners on building an AI-native legal service, the rise of fractional GCs, and how tech is reshaping scalable, efficient legal support for fast-growing companies.
Links:
https://www.paxapartners.com/ 

In this weeks episode Michael Grupp and Max Paterson from BRYTER walk through ILTACON in Washington DC and speak to a lot of people, like Noah Weisberg or Tara Waters. 

📌 Links & resources:
Mark onLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/legalmosaic/
Michael on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-grupp/
 
🗞️ Articles mentioned in the episode:Legal Transformation: Why The Stakes Have Increased Dramatically
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markcohen1/2025/05/12/legal-transformation-why-the-stakes-have-increased-dramatically/
 
Chief Legal Officers: The Expanded Purview Of A Trusted Advisor
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markcohen1/2025/03/24/chief-legal-officers-the-expanded-purview-of-a-trusted-advisor/
 
Law Is Not Ready For Amazon. Is Amazon Ready For Law?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markcohen1/2020/11/23/law-is-not-ready-for-amazon-is-amazon-ready-for-law/
 
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Bots and Billables Episode 005 is out now.
This week, Michael is joined by Tom Braegelmann — lawyer, author, and one of Europe’s most vocal experts on AI in legal practice. They discuss what’s actually working in legal AI, the quiet rise of shadow adoption, and why AI is better at assisting lawyers than replacing them.
Tom also shares how prompting workshops began, why legal IT systems are slowing progress, and whether AI is helping lawyers find more gold — or just better shovels.

Bots and Billables Episode 004 is out now. This week, Michael tackles one of the biggest talking points in Legal right now: will AI mean there are fewer lawyers in the future?

Bots and Billables Episode 003 is out now. This week, Michael is joined by Chris Bridges, Co-founder and COO of AI native law firm Tacit Legal, to discuss using AI for contract review, the future of the billable hour, and what is underhyped and overhyped in Legal AI.

Bots and Billables Episode 003 is out now. This week, Michael is joined by Chris Bridges, Co-founder and COO of AI native law firm Tacit Legal, to discuss using AI for contract review, the future of the billable hour, and what is underhyped and overhyped in Legal AI.